1 00:00:05,173 --> 00:00:07,875 Previously on Criminal Minds: Evolution... 2 00:00:07,975 --> 00:00:10,744 They will let anybody up on the sixth floor now, huh? 3 00:00:10,844 --> 00:00:11,844 Alvez and I 4 00:00:11,912 --> 00:00:13,681 are retired Army grunts. 5 00:00:13,814 --> 00:00:15,216 We met in the ARC Program. 6 00:00:15,349 --> 00:00:17,051 The Army Recovery Care Program. 7 00:00:17,185 --> 00:00:19,553 We help ill and injured service members 8 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:21,855 reintegrate into civilian life. 9 00:00:21,955 --> 00:00:23,467 The tumor's spread. 10 00:00:23,491 --> 00:00:25,093 There's nothing else we can do. 11 00:00:26,727 --> 00:00:28,296 I'm sorry. 12 00:00:28,362 --> 00:00:31,232 Hey. Sorry to interrupt. Do you have a second? 13 00:00:31,332 --> 00:00:32,700 If you'll excuse me. 14 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,368 Did you notice how he checked you out? 15 00:00:34,502 --> 00:00:36,637 You look like his wife who just left him. 16 00:00:36,737 --> 00:00:38,906 Welcome to The Sicarius Files. 17 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,808 I'm your host, Brian Garrity. 18 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:42,976 My guest, the Sicarius Killer himself, 19 00:00:43,077 --> 00:00:45,045 Elias Voit. 20 00:00:46,214 --> 00:00:47,781 Whoa! 21 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:51,719 Saved you a whole bunch of fan letters. 22 00:00:54,922 --> 00:00:56,357 It's sad how pathetic I am. 23 00:00:56,424 --> 00:00:57,925 But you know who's even more pathetic? 24 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:00,094 Someone who makes a show about it. 25 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:02,430 And anyone who listens to it. 26 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,166 Lance Kingston is the one who took those photos. 27 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:07,435 - But he's not the guy who sent it to you. - Turns out 28 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:09,203 your fan stole them. 29 00:01:09,303 --> 00:01:11,239 Lance, he's just a means to an end. 30 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:13,241 He's a sacrificial pawn. 31 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:37,731 Perimeter breached. 32 00:01:37,798 --> 00:01:38,899 Ground floor. 33 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:40,901 One casualty. Outer corridor. 34 00:01:40,968 --> 00:01:42,703 Do you have visual? 35 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:45,839 Negative. 36 00:01:51,110 --> 00:01:53,581 You motherfuckers! 37 00:01:54,914 --> 00:01:57,050 Reload! Reload! 38 00:02:00,621 --> 00:02:02,022 On my lead. 39 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:03,023 Moving. 40 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:04,124 Agents under fire. 41 00:02:04,225 --> 00:02:05,359 We need backup immediately. 42 00:02:05,459 --> 00:02:06,494 Copy. 43 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:08,429 Backup's on the way. 44 00:02:11,165 --> 00:02:13,601 No. 45 00:02:14,635 --> 00:02:16,103 Shut up. 46 00:02:16,204 --> 00:02:18,406 Shut... up. 47 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:19,507 Please, don't. 48 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:24,945 Hey, you take one more fucking step... 49 00:02:25,045 --> 00:02:25,879 Hmm? 50 00:02:25,978 --> 00:02:27,681 Easy, now. We want to help. 51 00:02:27,815 --> 00:02:29,655 - I don't want to die. - No one's gonna get hurt. 52 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:31,819 Don't you fucking lie to her. 53 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:32,999 Sir, just put the gun down. 54 00:02:33,086 --> 00:02:35,589 - Look, what's your name? - Fuck you! 55 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:39,227 That's my name. Why you keeping them from me? 56 00:02:39,327 --> 00:02:40,994 - Keeping what from you, sir? - My meds! 57 00:02:41,094 --> 00:02:43,964 - I need my goddamn meds. - Okay. 58 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:46,966 Okay, put the gun down, let the woman go, and I... 59 00:02:47,034 --> 00:02:48,602 Hey! 60 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:51,839 You think I don't fucking see you over there? 61 00:02:51,939 --> 00:02:53,073 Huh? 62 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:56,143 You want this little lady to die? 63 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:57,511 No! Sir, sir. 64 00:02:57,611 --> 00:03:00,381 - We do not. - Then give me my goddamn meds! 65 00:03:00,481 --> 00:03:01,815 Agent Lowell, 66 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:03,183 is target acquired? 67 00:03:03,284 --> 00:03:06,420 - Negative. - Reposition. Acquire target. 68 00:03:07,988 --> 00:03:09,457 Miss, 69 00:03:09,557 --> 00:03:11,492 what's your name? 70 00:03:11,592 --> 00:03:13,193 - Melissa... - Don't! 71 00:03:13,294 --> 00:03:16,129 Don't talk to her! 72 00:03:16,897 --> 00:03:18,999 - You talk to me! - Command, target has been acquired. 73 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:21,134 You understand?! 74 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:23,203 Oh-ho-ho! 75 00:03:23,337 --> 00:03:24,638 I have the shot. 76 00:03:24,738 --> 00:03:26,640 This guy over here, huh? This guy over here, 77 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:28,585 he wants to kill me so bad that he can taste it. 78 00:03:28,609 --> 00:03:30,278 Except, what if he misses, hmm? 79 00:03:30,378 --> 00:03:32,746 - And this little one takes the hit. - Sir? 80 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,415 Enough of this bullshit. 81 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:36,216 Okay? Enough! 82 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:37,918 Okay? 83 00:03:38,018 --> 00:03:40,721 I'm gonna count to three, and either you get me 84 00:03:40,853 --> 00:03:44,057 - my goddamn meds or I'm gonna blow her fucking head off. - Please, no. No. 85 00:03:44,156 --> 00:03:45,559 Lowell, you're clear. 86 00:03:45,659 --> 00:03:47,295 Send it. 87 00:03:48,396 --> 00:03:49,563 Okay? 88 00:03:49,663 --> 00:03:50,731 One. 89 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:52,466 Just give him what he wants! 90 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,535 - Two. - Sir, you kill her, 91 00:03:54,602 --> 00:03:56,136 - we kill you! - Take the shot. 92 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,605 Three! 93 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:06,580 What the fuck? What the fuck? 94 00:04:07,448 --> 00:04:08,916 I took the shot. 95 00:04:09,049 --> 00:04:11,084 Holy shit. What'd you do? 96 00:04:11,184 --> 00:04:13,053 Abort, abort! Abort the exercise! 97 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:17,825 That was a live fucking round. 98 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:20,327 - Holy shit. - Get O'Connor. 99 00:04:21,194 --> 00:04:22,229 O'Connor! 100 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:24,332 We need medical. Stat! 101 00:04:25,633 --> 00:04:27,535 Secure your weapons now. 102 00:04:27,635 --> 00:04:29,870 - Magazine check. - I got blanks. 103 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:33,273 Same. 104 00:04:33,407 --> 00:04:34,675 Billy? 105 00:04:35,976 --> 00:04:37,545 Billy, we're unarmed. 106 00:04:37,645 --> 00:04:39,713 Okay? Put down the gun. 107 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:42,516 Talk to us, Billy. 108 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:44,818 Medical's coming. 109 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,823 He's dead. 110 00:04:53,226 --> 00:04:54,595 I took the shot. 111 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:57,140 - Security. - Initiate lockdown. 112 00:04:57,164 --> 00:04:58,932 Now. We have an active shooter. 113 00:04:58,999 --> 00:05:01,502 This is not a drill. I repeat, this is not a drill. 114 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:03,804 - Copy. - Billy, in about 30 seconds, 115 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:05,248 the real deal is barreling in here, 116 00:05:05,272 --> 00:05:06,740 and they will kill you. 117 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,452 Hey, you don't want any more blood on your hands, 118 00:05:08,476 --> 00:05:10,143 do you, Billy? Please. 119 00:05:10,243 --> 00:05:11,845 Hand me that weapon. 120 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:15,916 Let me help you, Billy, okay? 121 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:18,786 Hey. 122 00:05:25,793 --> 00:05:27,428 I don't fucking get it, man. 123 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:32,232 Hey, what were you thinking? 124 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,536 I had... I had the shot. 125 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,173 I took the shot. 126 00:05:40,273 --> 00:05:42,275 Attention, all personnel. 127 00:05:42,376 --> 00:05:44,277 This is an emergency. 128 00:05:44,378 --> 00:05:46,046 You are under lockdown. 129 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:48,682 Remain in your location until further notice. 130 00:05:48,782 --> 00:05:50,350 This is not a drill. 131 00:05:50,451 --> 00:05:52,686 I repeat, this is not a drill. 132 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:03,363 "We cannot grow when we are in shame, 133 00:06:03,464 --> 00:06:07,668 and we can't use shame to change ourselves or others." 134 00:06:07,735 --> 00:06:09,136 Brené Brown. 135 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:12,172 So, Tom Milliken was shot? 136 00:06:12,272 --> 00:06:14,842 During a training exercise for selectees 137 00:06:14,942 --> 00:06:16,477 from the Hostage Rescue Team. 138 00:06:16,544 --> 00:06:18,446 An exercise with live rounds? 139 00:06:18,546 --> 00:06:19,856 Well, there's a lot to unpack here, 140 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,482 which is why Rebecca has asked the BAU 141 00:06:21,549 --> 00:06:22,650 to get eyes on it. 142 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:23,917 God, does Alvez know yet? 143 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:25,519 He's on scene with JJ. 144 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:29,189 Tom Milliken was like family to him. 145 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:30,858 Oh. 146 00:06:30,957 --> 00:06:34,361 Brian, what have I told you about phone calls on Saturdays? 147 00:06:34,462 --> 00:06:36,597 Emily, I wouldn't trouble you 148 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,599 were it not of the utmost importance. 149 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:41,669 I have, in my possession, evidence 150 00:06:41,769 --> 00:06:43,403 of a pre-crime. 151 00:06:43,504 --> 00:06:45,205 What the fuck is a "pre-crime"? 152 00:06:45,305 --> 00:06:47,240 - Is that Tara? - Hi, Brian. 153 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:48,609 What's with this 154 00:06:48,709 --> 00:06:50,310 pre-crime? 155 00:06:50,409 --> 00:06:52,456 It's the thing that happens before one commits said crime. 156 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,516 No, I get the term. What is it you think you have? 157 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:58,552 Oh, dare I say, a manifesto, of sorts. 158 00:06:58,652 --> 00:07:00,554 Addressed to me by a fan. 159 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:01,955 It says, and here I quote, 160 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:05,425 "Some may call me a fan, but He must call me God." 161 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:08,462 And since this same declaration is typed 162 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:10,030 over and over again like... 163 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:12,700 Do you remember Jack Nicholson's character in The Shining? 164 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,569 Like, he starts to go wacko and he types this one sentence 165 00:07:15,636 --> 00:07:16,870 over and over and over. 166 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:18,772 "All work and no play makes..." 167 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:21,374 - Yeah, I've seen the movie. - Well, you should see this. 168 00:07:21,475 --> 00:07:24,878 Not only has he repeatedly typed his affirmation, 169 00:07:24,945 --> 00:07:27,414 but he's also printed it into shapes. 170 00:07:27,515 --> 00:07:31,384 The whole thing is so wackadoodle, it's like... 171 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,654 and admittedly, I'm no profiler... 172 00:07:33,754 --> 00:07:35,956 he's clearly itching to do no good. 173 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:38,158 Where are you? 174 00:07:38,258 --> 00:07:39,527 Not far. 175 00:07:39,627 --> 00:07:42,129 Literally around the proverbial corner. 176 00:07:42,229 --> 00:07:43,797 You really should take a look-see. 177 00:07:43,931 --> 00:07:46,233 Okay, I'll have a visitor's pass waiting for you. 178 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,901 God, when it rains, it pours. 179 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:49,779 Okay, look, Dave and I can handle this for you. 180 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:51,138 Thank you. 181 00:07:51,238 --> 00:07:52,782 Yeah, I have to get to the training facility. 182 00:07:52,806 --> 00:07:54,341 Yeah, yeah. 183 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:56,810 Or I'm gonna blow her fucking head off. 184 00:07:56,944 --> 00:07:59,212 - One! - Just give him 185 00:07:59,312 --> 00:08:00,614 - what he wants! - Two! 186 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,683 Sir, you kill her, we kill you! 187 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:04,451 Three! - Who else knows? 188 00:08:04,552 --> 00:08:07,087 With the lockdown, we're on a need-to-know basis. 189 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:08,856 Director, A.G., president. 190 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:12,292 I'd say the news blackout holds another 24 hours. 191 00:08:12,359 --> 00:08:13,527 But it's not like we have 192 00:08:13,661 --> 00:08:14,595 a lot of friends in this administration. 193 00:08:14,662 --> 00:08:16,296 An agent-on-agent incident 194 00:08:16,396 --> 00:08:18,298 like this is exactly the kind of pretext 195 00:08:18,365 --> 00:08:20,701 that they can use to gut the department. 196 00:08:21,301 --> 00:08:22,803 Peter. 197 00:08:22,903 --> 00:08:25,105 I am so sorry. 198 00:08:25,172 --> 00:08:26,740 It's still hard to believe. 199 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,175 Uh, Emily, this is Peter O'Connor, 200 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:29,509 Milliken's chief of staff. 201 00:08:29,643 --> 00:08:31,812 Tom spoke very highly of you and your team. 202 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,347 He brought you a case recently, didn't he? 203 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:37,116 He did. An equivocal death investigation. 204 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:39,886 And, incredibly, he's now the subject of one. 205 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,322 Well, not so equivocal, I'm afraid. 206 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:44,457 Agent Selectee Billy Lowell fired the fatal shot. 207 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:47,194 His weapon was the only one with live rounds. 208 00:08:47,294 --> 00:08:49,830 Yes, that seems evident. However, officially, 209 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:51,632 there still needs to be a determination 210 00:08:51,699 --> 00:08:53,466 of homicide or accidental death. 211 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:54,768 Of course. 212 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,004 I know it's been a while since I was in training, 213 00:08:57,104 --> 00:08:59,039 but is it common now for H.R.T. 214 00:08:59,139 --> 00:09:01,675 to conduct an exercise with actors and real weapons? 215 00:09:01,742 --> 00:09:04,411 Uh, no, it's not common. 216 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:06,079 But Tom had his own methodology. 217 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:07,681 And carte blanche from up top. 218 00:09:07,781 --> 00:09:10,150 If he wanted to do something, he did it. 219 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,485 In this case, he felt that the selectees 220 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:15,488 were in need of a far more "real world" experience. 221 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:19,693 So, did this exercise include the entire selectee class? 222 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,095 No, just Agents Helm, Barlow and Lowell. 223 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:23,530 They were a three-man unit. 224 00:09:23,631 --> 00:09:24,898 Well, Agent Lowell 225 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:27,000 is already in custody, but we are going to need 226 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:29,369 to interview Agents Helm and Barlow, as well. 227 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:31,438 - Sure. - Has the medical examiner 228 00:09:31,538 --> 00:09:33,106 taken possession of the body? 229 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,175 Uh, he's doing that right now. 230 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:37,110 Excuse me. 231 00:09:44,251 --> 00:09:45,753 Luke. 232 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:47,788 I need a minute. 233 00:09:49,456 --> 00:09:52,926 I tried to tell him that maybe he should sit this one out. 234 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,762 Yeah. 235 00:10:00,634 --> 00:10:02,102 Brian. 236 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:03,470 Tara. 237 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:07,540 Well, I... what a delight it is to see you again. 238 00:10:07,641 --> 00:10:09,743 - Uh, where's Emily? - She thought it best 239 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,313 that Tara and I took a look at what you've got. 240 00:10:14,414 --> 00:10:16,449 Okay. Um... 241 00:10:16,583 --> 00:10:18,518 the thing is, given our previous history, 242 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,553 wouldn't it be better if Tara and I were to... 243 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:23,523 No. This way. 244 00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:32,065 "Some may call me a fan, 245 00:10:32,165 --> 00:10:35,335 but He must call me God." 246 00:10:35,435 --> 00:10:36,704 What'd I tell you? 247 00:10:36,804 --> 00:10:38,605 Redrum. Redrum. 248 00:10:38,706 --> 00:10:39,940 When did you get this? 249 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,560 - Yesterday. - Yesterday? 250 00:10:41,608 --> 00:10:43,210 I opened it today. 251 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:46,479 Uh, oh. 252 00:10:46,579 --> 00:10:49,316 Postmark Kensington, Pennsylvania. 253 00:10:50,117 --> 00:10:52,252 You guys have seen this before, haven't you? 254 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,855 Would you give us a second? 255 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:56,990 Don't touch anything. 256 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:05,899 It's virtually identical to what he sent to Voit. 257 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:07,868 But why does he send it to Garrity? 258 00:11:08,702 --> 00:11:10,704 He is listening to Garrity's podcast. 259 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:13,440 But the message still goes to Voit. 260 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:14,808 Kowtowing son of a bitch 261 00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:18,211 even capitalized the "H" in "He." 262 00:11:18,311 --> 00:11:20,380 Conveying some kind of godlike status to Voit. 263 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,184 A status that this guy wants to share. 264 00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:27,220 Okay, so, what? He's trying to prod Garrity 265 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,022 into getting Voit back on his podcast? 266 00:11:29,122 --> 00:11:30,523 He hopes, on bended knee, 267 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:32,893 that, what, Voit's gonna call him a god, too? 268 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:36,196 Yeah, old god crowns the new one. 269 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:38,766 What are you thinking? 270 00:11:39,967 --> 00:11:42,702 You're not gonna like it, but, um... 271 00:11:45,372 --> 00:11:47,440 we need to take this to Voit. 272 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,376 Of course we need to take it to Voit. 273 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:51,078 I know we need to take it to Voit. 274 00:11:51,211 --> 00:11:52,913 Wait, why would I not like that? 275 00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:54,724 You're the one that doesn't want to be around the guy. 276 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:56,683 But you're the one who has to make sure 277 00:11:56,750 --> 00:12:00,087 that Garrity doesn't feel that we're shining him on. 278 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:02,222 We're completely shining him on. 279 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:03,900 But we can't let him share what he knows. 280 00:12:03,924 --> 00:12:06,159 Yeah, you're right. I know it. I know. 281 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,661 I just... just because I look like the guy's ex 282 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:11,398 doesn't mean that I have to be the go-to strategy here. 283 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:14,601 Okay, I'm open to another. 284 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:16,603 I don't have another. 285 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,039 Look, I'm not asking you to babysit him. 286 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:21,408 Just, uh, tell him to go home 287 00:12:21,508 --> 00:12:23,710 and wait for further instructions. 288 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:28,081 Let him feel like he's part of some special investigation. 289 00:12:28,949 --> 00:12:30,517 He trusts you. 290 00:12:32,019 --> 00:12:34,087 Fine. 291 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,771 We really appreciate you bringing this to our attention. 292 00:12:41,795 --> 00:12:44,097 You free later tonight? 293 00:12:44,932 --> 00:12:45,833 Excuse me? 294 00:12:45,933 --> 00:12:48,035 Free. For, like, dinner, drinks? 295 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:50,537 I mean, I know the timing isn't great, in the middle of 296 00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:52,372 a hunt for a serial killer and all. 297 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:53,974 I'm married, Brian. 298 00:12:55,175 --> 00:12:56,977 When did... 299 00:12:57,077 --> 00:12:58,411 Mazel tov. 300 00:12:58,511 --> 00:12:59,646 - Thank you. - Yeah. 301 00:12:59,746 --> 00:13:01,048 Lucky guy. 302 00:13:01,148 --> 00:13:02,782 Gal. 303 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:05,285 Oh. 304 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:06,619 Yeah. 305 00:13:06,719 --> 00:13:08,621 So, let's focus here. 306 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:12,159 Brian, the BAU needs you to help us start 307 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:14,727 a special covert investigation. 308 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,296 - Covert? - That is right. 309 00:13:16,396 --> 00:13:20,267 So, what were gonna need you to do is go home... now 310 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,735 and wait for this unsub to reach out to you again. 311 00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:24,637 And when they do, you're gonna call me, 312 00:13:24,737 --> 00:13:26,406 and we'll proceed from there. 313 00:13:28,075 --> 00:13:29,342 Call you. 314 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,678 Yes, that's-that's right. 315 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,380 I don't have your number. 316 00:13:34,281 --> 00:13:36,283 I'll give you my work number. 317 00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:38,518 It's the switchboard. 318 00:13:54,467 --> 00:13:56,536 Do you want to talk about it? 319 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:02,709 It's not good to constipate emotions. 320 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,246 I don't know why I just said it like that. Um... 321 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:12,652 But, come on, I don't have to tell you. 322 00:14:12,752 --> 00:14:14,621 That the deeper you push down grief, 323 00:14:14,721 --> 00:14:16,856 the more painful it's gonna become. 324 00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:18,558 You just did. 325 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:19,826 Just did what? 326 00:14:19,927 --> 00:14:22,295 You said you're not gonna tell me, 327 00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:24,197 - and then you did. - Oh, don't deflect. 328 00:14:24,297 --> 00:14:26,199 I... 329 00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:29,736 Just, it would be good to talk to somebody 330 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:32,372 who is in tune with you. 331 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:34,074 Namely moi. 332 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:37,277 I see you. 333 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:39,779 I really do. 334 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,781 I know. 335 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,283 You do. 336 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:53,493 I know what you're going to say. 337 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,562 That, uh, I'm too close to Milliken, 338 00:14:55,695 --> 00:14:56,763 that I can't be impartial. 339 00:14:56,863 --> 00:14:58,798 You're on the case. 340 00:15:01,001 --> 00:15:04,871 Now, I only want to remind you, go where the evidence takes you. 341 00:15:04,972 --> 00:15:07,140 Don't get out over your skis on this one 342 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,276 because of your relationship with the victim. 343 00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:11,044 Tyler's waiting for you. 344 00:15:12,212 --> 00:15:13,413 Thanks. 345 00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:34,267 - One! - Just give him 346 00:15:34,401 --> 00:15:35,635 what he wants! 347 00:15:35,735 --> 00:15:37,437 - Two! - Sir, you kill her, we kill you! 348 00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:39,339 Three! 349 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:45,845 Why? 350 00:15:49,082 --> 00:15:50,750 Three! 351 00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:56,990 Why? 352 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:02,996 You know we're gonna sit here and watch this 353 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:06,866 over and over until you answer my question. 354 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:11,838 I had... 355 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:15,542 Excuse me? 356 00:16:17,244 --> 00:16:19,646 I had the shot. 357 00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:23,759 Yeah, I had the shot. I took the shot. 358 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:26,186 Yeah, you sure as fuck did. 359 00:16:30,423 --> 00:16:33,126 Why do you think Agent Lowell refuses to say anything 360 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,528 except, "I had the shot. I took the shot."? 361 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:39,165 - Like it's some kind of mantra. - Jesus Christ. 362 00:16:39,266 --> 00:16:40,833 It... it's something Milliken was 363 00:16:40,967 --> 00:16:42,502 hammering into our heads. 364 00:16:42,635 --> 00:16:43,903 What? 365 00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:47,074 So, Milliken designed this no-win H.R.T. scenario, 366 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:50,577 where the hostage taker, he can't be taken alive. 367 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:53,480 Now, Billy, Joey and I were on the same team together, 368 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,106 so we'd each have a go at running point. 369 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:57,484 You mean, being the guy taking the kill shot? 370 00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:59,286 Yeah. 371 00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:01,188 Joey and I, we had no problem. 372 00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:03,332 We could run through this thing with our eyes closed. 373 00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:05,692 Especially since we were handling your standard 374 00:17:05,791 --> 00:17:08,461 laser pistols and aiming at target dummies, 375 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,196 but... 376 00:17:10,297 --> 00:17:12,232 I don't know what was going on with Billy. 377 00:17:13,165 --> 00:17:16,136 Every single time, he couldn't do it. 378 00:17:16,203 --> 00:17:18,070 He'd just freeze up. 379 00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:20,173 Which totally set off Milliken. 380 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,709 I've seen Milliken's short fuse 381 00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:24,077 up close and personal. 382 00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:25,645 It's not pretty. 383 00:17:25,744 --> 00:17:29,282 Hey, that was his job, was to get agents field ready. 384 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,883 Yeah, no doubt. 385 00:17:30,983 --> 00:17:34,754 That's why Billy was driving Milliken batshit crazy. 386 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:40,093 Agent Lowell. 387 00:17:40,193 --> 00:17:41,928 Why the hesitation? 388 00:17:42,028 --> 00:17:45,265 Lives are on the line here, son. You do understand that? 389 00:17:45,365 --> 00:17:46,366 Yes. Yeah. 390 00:17:46,433 --> 00:17:47,673 If you want to watch, 391 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:49,236 buy a ticket. 392 00:17:51,871 --> 00:17:53,906 Yes, sir. Sir, but... 393 00:17:54,006 --> 00:17:55,542 No more excuses. 394 00:17:55,608 --> 00:18:00,413 If you have the shot, you take the shot. 395 00:18:01,314 --> 00:18:02,182 Yes. 396 00:18:02,249 --> 00:18:04,083 Yes, what? 397 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:06,153 - Yes, sir. - No. 398 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:09,055 No, say it. "I have the shot", 399 00:18:09,122 --> 00:18:10,423 - I take the shot." - I have... 400 00:18:10,523 --> 00:18:12,058 - I have the shot... - I have the shot... 401 00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:14,894 - I take the shot. - I take the shot. 402 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:16,329 I take the shot. 403 00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:19,098 All right. 404 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:20,700 Let's run it again. 405 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:23,970 Yeah. We ran it 406 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:26,373 again and again. 407 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:28,575 And that's when we went from using the dummy targets 408 00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:29,876 to role players. 409 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:33,613 Laser pistols to actual guns. 410 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:35,815 With blanks. 411 00:18:37,049 --> 00:18:40,753 But upping the ante did not help Billy. 412 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:44,391 He was fucking hopeless. 413 00:18:44,491 --> 00:18:46,101 I mean, personally, I thought it was only gonna be 414 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,861 a matter of time before he completely lost his shit. 415 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:50,930 Being reprimanded is one thing... 416 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:53,700 Oh, it went way beyond being reprimanded. 417 00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:59,639 Lowell, you are clear. Send it. 418 00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:02,041 - One! - Just give him what he wants, please. 419 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:03,443 - Two! - Take the shot. 420 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:05,077 Sir, you kill her, we kill you. 421 00:19:05,178 --> 00:19:06,713 No! 422 00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:08,981 Take the shot. 423 00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:10,650 Three! 424 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:16,323 Goddamn it! Goddamn it. 425 00:19:17,457 --> 00:19:19,025 Are you fucking kidding me? 426 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:21,361 You got another hostage killed. 427 00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:23,696 What the actual fuck do I have to do 428 00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:26,466 to get it through your thick skull, huh? 429 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:27,767 I have the shot. 430 00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:31,571 Should I take it? 431 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:35,141 You... 432 00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:37,544 - you take the shot. - Bingo. 433 00:19:39,846 --> 00:19:41,748 Run it again. 434 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,854 And don't think I'm not ready for your D.O.R. 435 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,059 Let's go! 436 00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:57,163 D.O.R. 437 00:19:57,264 --> 00:19:59,131 You know what that stands for. 438 00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:00,867 I know you do. 439 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:05,538 Drop on request. 440 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,576 Hey, I get it. 441 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:12,345 All right? Milliken's kicking your ass, 442 00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:14,847 threatening your future. 443 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:17,750 You couldn't take it anymore. 444 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:19,719 What else you gonna do, right? 445 00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:23,656 I shot him, but I-I didn't kill him. 446 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,260 Hey! Billy! 447 00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:30,096 Stop fucking with me. 448 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,766 We're going through your locker. 449 00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:36,403 Once we match the bullets in your stash 450 00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:38,605 with the ones that were in the magazine... 451 00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:40,540 I had blanks. 452 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:43,175 Just like everybody else. I swear to God. 453 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,312 - But, clearly, you didn't. - I know! 454 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,549 I don't understand. 455 00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:51,418 Milliken, he-he 456 00:20:51,518 --> 00:20:53,586 handed out the guns himself. And the blanks. 457 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,489 And we double-checked everything before we started. 458 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:57,757 You're saying you were using. 459 00:20:57,857 --> 00:20:59,034 Milliken's weapons and fake ammo? 460 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,192 Yes. 461 00:21:00,293 --> 00:21:01,528 - Stop lying! - I'm not. 462 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,930 Check it. I swear. 463 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:12,004 Agent Lowell, during the exercise, 464 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,641 this no-win scenario involved an active shooter 465 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:16,142 in a business office. 466 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,920 But your fellow selectees mentioned that Milliken 467 00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:20,613 had gone a bit off-script, making himself out to be this... 468 00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:22,782 Crazy guy being denied his medication. Yeah. 469 00:21:24,651 --> 00:21:27,119 Were you or any of the selectees aware 470 00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:29,155 of Milliken's own use of antidepressants? 471 00:21:30,757 --> 00:21:32,058 Had he mentioned it? 472 00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:34,494 Hey, hang on a second. 473 00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:39,098 I want to talk to you in the other room. 474 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:47,607 What are you doing? 475 00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:50,042 Tom told me he was taking citalopram. 476 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:52,345 So what? It's not relevant. 477 00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:54,046 Luke, of course it's relevant. 478 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,348 Tom's behavior seems as if 479 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:56,928 it were becoming increasingly erratic. 480 00:21:56,983 --> 00:21:58,317 No, it sounds like 481 00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:00,620 you're looking for an excuse, not a motive. 482 00:22:00,687 --> 00:22:02,722 Luke, Tyler. 483 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:05,024 Where are we? 484 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:06,292 We got no confession, 485 00:22:06,393 --> 00:22:08,695 but we're looking at intentional homicide. 486 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:10,329 I'm not sure it wasn't suicide. 487 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,274 - Suicide? What are you taking about? - Listen to me. 488 00:22:12,298 --> 00:22:14,166 If those guns were under Milliken's control, 489 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:15,835 and if his behavior was affected, 490 00:22:15,935 --> 00:22:17,704 either by misuse of prescriptions 491 00:22:17,804 --> 00:22:19,281 or ignoring them, then it's possible... 492 00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:21,207 No, it's not possible. 493 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:22,642 It's absolutely not possible. 494 00:22:22,709 --> 00:22:26,379 Ballistics came back on the recovered bullet. 495 00:22:26,479 --> 00:22:29,248 It does match Milliken's own service weapon. 496 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:33,653 Yeah. 497 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,321 And... 498 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:37,957 I think he wanted Agent Lowell to take that shot. 499 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:39,426 You think? 500 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:41,828 Tom spent his life 501 00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:44,397 helping vets with mental health struggles. 502 00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:47,166 - He would never take his own life. - Hold on. 503 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:51,571 As I see it right now, you have two viable theories. 504 00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:54,373 Get it down to one. 505 00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:05,785 Strike team to landing 224. 506 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:07,219 Strike team to landing 224. 507 00:23:07,286 --> 00:23:09,622 So, you think it's another test? 508 00:23:11,558 --> 00:23:13,325 Yeah, but not just for us. 509 00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:15,528 He's gauging the levels of his own restraint. 510 00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:17,764 And you think that's why he sent it to Garrity 511 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:19,298 - and not to you. - For some reason, 512 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:22,635 he's trying to slow himself down, and if he can't, 513 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,571 it's gonna cost somebody else their life. 514 00:23:24,671 --> 00:23:27,640 Assuming he hasn't killed already. 515 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,341 He may have. 516 00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:31,844 And now he wants to be called God 517 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:34,847 because he feels he has the power to show mercy. 518 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:36,949 To choose who lives and who dies. 519 00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:38,785 - Mm-hmm. - But not before 520 00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:40,386 you pass him the torch. 521 00:23:40,487 --> 00:23:44,190 That's why he capitalizes the "H" when he references you. 522 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:47,594 Without your seal of approval, he won't feel that, um, 523 00:23:47,694 --> 00:23:50,229 special something. 524 00:23:50,362 --> 00:23:54,133 That may be another reason to send it to Garrity. 525 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,002 Trying to get me on the podcast again. 526 00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:59,371 Yeah, that's not gonna happen. 527 00:23:59,472 --> 00:24:01,741 Okay, but maybe if he heard 528 00:24:01,841 --> 00:24:04,310 someone else's voice on the podcast, 529 00:24:04,376 --> 00:24:06,378 it would engage him enough so that he gets 530 00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:08,648 careless enough to reveal himself. 531 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:10,282 Okay. 532 00:24:10,382 --> 00:24:12,719 - Who are you thinking? - Me. 533 00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:14,420 Yes. 534 00:24:15,321 --> 00:24:16,823 No. 535 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:20,459 If he's my fan, he's trying to walk in my footsteps, 536 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,862 which means he's read every single one of your books. 537 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,597 Hey, they're not how-to books. 538 00:24:24,731 --> 00:24:27,333 He respects you. 539 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:29,168 You led the team that led to my capture. 540 00:24:29,268 --> 00:24:32,438 If he hears your voice live on Brian's podcast, 541 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:34,541 I don't know how he can not reach out. 542 00:24:34,641 --> 00:24:38,511 You are the only person he might surrender to. 543 00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:43,182 I mean... 544 00:24:44,751 --> 00:24:46,619 because he trusts you. 545 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,688 You know I'm right. 546 00:24:48,755 --> 00:24:50,690 Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. 547 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:00,166 Hey. 548 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:01,834 - Sorry to interrupt. - Not a problem. 549 00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:03,936 What do you need? 550 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:06,205 In reviewing the incident reports, 551 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:08,374 we weren't able to find one describing Milliken 552 00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:10,777 pulling his service weapon on Agent Lowell. 553 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:12,511 I wish I could say I'm surprised. 554 00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:15,114 - Was a report filed? - Not to me, but 555 00:25:15,214 --> 00:25:18,551 I am now hearing rumors that many anonymous reports 556 00:25:18,651 --> 00:25:20,571 sent to the Office of Professional Responsibility 557 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:21,788 may have been slow-rolled. 558 00:25:21,888 --> 00:25:24,256 Friends in high places? 559 00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:26,458 It's all hearsay, right? 560 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,861 All I know from personal experience 561 00:25:28,961 --> 00:25:30,997 is he got results. 562 00:25:31,764 --> 00:25:33,642 If he passed you, you were the best of the best. 563 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:36,703 So, you're saying they were willing to look the other way 564 00:25:36,803 --> 00:25:39,505 if he crossed the line now and again? 565 00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:41,340 You're saying that. 566 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,275 But I wouldn't disagree. 567 00:25:58,124 --> 00:26:00,259 It's this new class. 568 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,493 Killing me. 569 00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:04,096 It's triggering all my old habits. 570 00:26:04,163 --> 00:26:06,432 I'm just not... 571 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:07,800 - I don't know. - No. 572 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,770 You don't get to end on, "I don't know." 573 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:12,204 Talk to me. 574 00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:13,773 It's Cindy. 575 00:26:13,873 --> 00:26:15,241 She's not happy. 576 00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:18,010 Come on, you guys... 577 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:20,512 - you've been through worse. - I know. 578 00:26:22,348 --> 00:26:24,851 That's the thing with getting older and wiser. 579 00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:27,219 You start to realize you don't have to spend 580 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,188 the rest of your life putting up with shit. 581 00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,557 Oh, so you-you think you're putting up with... 582 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:32,692 No, not me. 583 00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:33,826 Cindy. 584 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:35,294 - Oh. - Come on, she has spent 585 00:26:35,361 --> 00:26:38,230 the better part of her life dealing with mine. 586 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:41,634 You guys going to counseling? 587 00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:43,736 Yeah, twice a week. 588 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:46,973 Still... 589 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,675 it's me. 590 00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:51,343 I don't know what the hell is going on. 591 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:52,879 I'm bringing work home with me. 592 00:26:53,012 --> 00:26:55,212 I'm barking orders at her like she's one of my trainees. 593 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:56,916 It is bad, Luke. 594 00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:02,388 Look, a wise man once told me that it's one thing 595 00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:05,324 to identify the problem, and it's another thing 596 00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:06,558 to do the work. 597 00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:07,894 Words. 598 00:27:08,027 --> 00:27:10,963 Yeah, until you put them into action. 599 00:27:12,498 --> 00:27:14,266 I just... 600 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,503 don't know what I would do without her. 601 00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:18,838 You know? 602 00:27:22,508 --> 00:27:25,678 Look, maybe you need some time off. 603 00:27:30,249 --> 00:27:31,450 You're empty. 604 00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:35,521 - Want another? - No. 605 00:27:36,522 --> 00:27:37,957 No, I'm good. 606 00:27:38,858 --> 00:27:40,226 Come on. 607 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:42,628 One more round. On me. 608 00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:46,265 Sure. 609 00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:48,835 Attaboy. That's the spirit. 610 00:28:05,651 --> 00:28:06,953 Hey, so it looks like 611 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:10,823 we have to reinterview all the selectees. 612 00:28:13,292 --> 00:28:15,061 You okay? 613 00:28:17,964 --> 00:28:20,199 It's not fair. 614 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,935 Death rarely is. 615 00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:24,837 Not death. 616 00:28:26,605 --> 00:28:28,074 Grief. 617 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,381 I'm sorry. 618 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:39,351 You're the last person I should be saying that to. 619 00:28:39,451 --> 00:28:41,487 No, I... I get it. 620 00:28:41,587 --> 00:28:42,889 Ah, I... 621 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:46,292 I don't want you to think that I'm trying to compare 622 00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:49,528 what you went through to what I'm going through. 623 00:28:49,661 --> 00:28:51,597 Luke, stop. 624 00:28:51,697 --> 00:28:53,933 I understand. 625 00:28:54,033 --> 00:28:56,903 Everyone experiences grief in their own way. 626 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,339 I mean, Jesus, it's been over a year, 627 00:29:00,472 --> 00:29:05,711 and not a day goes by where I don't see Will's eyes 628 00:29:05,812 --> 00:29:08,247 or his sense of humor in the boys. 629 00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:12,551 It's, um... it's, uh, fucking brutal. 630 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:16,555 Grief is not kind. 631 00:29:16,688 --> 00:29:19,358 Or rational or-or fair. 632 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,694 But trust me, 633 00:29:22,829 --> 00:29:27,166 if you don't give yourself the space to feel, 634 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,536 if you cut yourself off from those feelings... 635 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:33,672 it gets way worse. 636 00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:36,976 Yeah. 637 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:39,245 So? 638 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:46,085 What can we do to give you the space you need? 639 00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:52,859 I thought I could take the lead on this case, 640 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:55,127 but I, uh... 641 00:29:55,227 --> 00:29:57,396 I need you and Tyler to... 642 00:29:57,496 --> 00:29:59,231 have my back. 643 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:00,799 We got you. 644 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:05,337 We got you. 645 00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:07,039 Thanks. 646 00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:21,487 Agent Barlow, apart from his actions during training, 647 00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:24,190 what else can you tell us about Milliken's behavior? 648 00:30:25,457 --> 00:30:27,093 I didn't really spend any time with him 649 00:30:27,193 --> 00:30:29,461 outside of the exercises. 650 00:30:29,561 --> 00:30:33,599 What about before briefings or after training exercises? 651 00:30:33,699 --> 00:30:35,734 Maybe you checked in during his office hours? 652 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,337 Well, yeah, sometimes, I guess. 653 00:30:39,638 --> 00:30:41,140 I suppose it was true that he was all 654 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:43,009 fire and brimstone during the training, 655 00:30:43,109 --> 00:30:45,811 but lately, when he was alone... 656 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,515 it started to get weird. 657 00:30:50,782 --> 00:30:52,151 How so? 658 00:30:53,752 --> 00:30:56,956 Well, I went to see him about this procedural question. 659 00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:00,359 And I walked in there. 660 00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:02,294 He was sitting behind his desk. 661 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:04,897 And he didn't see me, but I saw him. 662 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,835 And he was... crying. 663 00:31:13,305 --> 00:31:15,141 Yeah, Joey told me about it. 664 00:31:15,241 --> 00:31:17,676 He said he was, like, ugly crying. 665 00:31:17,809 --> 00:31:19,245 It didn't make any sense. 666 00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:22,348 I mean, yeah, we were prepping for our next eval, 667 00:31:22,448 --> 00:31:23,950 but it was a low-stress day. 668 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:26,552 Clearly, something got under his skin. 669 00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:29,989 Let me tell you something. 670 00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:32,424 I've known Tom Milliken for over 20 years. 671 00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:33,725 - I've never... - Look, Luke... 672 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:35,127 never once seen him cry. 673 00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:37,363 Yeah, well, neither have I, technically. 674 00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:39,431 Okay? It's just what Joey told me. 675 00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:40,832 Joey also couldn't tell us 676 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,634 what was troubling Agent Milliken. 677 00:31:42,701 --> 00:31:44,236 Can you? 678 00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:47,039 Okay, not for sure. 679 00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:49,808 There was a rumor... 680 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:51,543 his wife was leaving him. 681 00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:53,712 Cindy? Nah. 682 00:31:53,812 --> 00:31:56,348 - Is that his wife? - Yeah. 683 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:58,684 Look, like I said, I can't say 684 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,953 100% for certain that his wife was leaving him, 685 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,722 it was just something I overheard. 686 00:32:05,291 --> 00:32:07,059 Are you okay? 687 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,541 Cindy. 688 00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:23,875 Luke. 689 00:32:23,976 --> 00:32:25,344 It's good to see you. 690 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:28,114 - I'm so sorry. - Mm. 691 00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:35,821 We took this the day he retired from the Army. 692 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:37,456 Yeah. 693 00:32:38,557 --> 00:32:41,193 Yeah, I remember those days. 694 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:43,329 New deployment every six months. 695 00:32:43,429 --> 00:32:45,131 Long phone calls home. 696 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:47,399 - Or no phone calls for weeks. - Yeah. 697 00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:48,900 After he retired, 698 00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:50,402 he said we'd finally settle down. 699 00:32:50,502 --> 00:32:53,339 Buy a house, stop moving from base to base. 700 00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,376 You know, he told me that 701 00:32:57,443 --> 00:33:01,247 the best decision he ever made was joining the FBI. 702 00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:03,182 Said it felt like you two finally... 703 00:33:03,249 --> 00:33:05,751 Finally had time for each other. 704 00:33:05,884 --> 00:33:07,553 - Yeah. - Right. 705 00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:13,097 Sometimes the people that help others the most, 706 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:16,628 they just can't seem to help themselves. 707 00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:19,765 I'm not sure what you mean. 708 00:33:23,435 --> 00:33:24,936 Cindy, the BAU is in the process 709 00:33:25,037 --> 00:33:27,139 of putting the pieces together of what happened, 710 00:33:27,239 --> 00:33:29,741 and some information has come to light 711 00:33:29,808 --> 00:33:34,880 that suggest Tom might have been acting out self-destructively. 712 00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:38,217 That, uh, maybe he was suicidal. 713 00:33:39,118 --> 00:33:40,752 Tom? 714 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,088 Okay, who told you that? 715 00:33:42,154 --> 00:33:43,955 I'm not at liberty to say. 716 00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:46,125 Absolutely not, Luke. 717 00:33:46,225 --> 00:33:48,294 And I'm not just saying that because I'm his wife. 718 00:33:48,394 --> 00:33:51,597 Cindy, were you leaving him? 719 00:33:51,663 --> 00:33:53,132 Wow. 720 00:33:53,232 --> 00:33:56,468 I-I wouldn't ask if I didn't have to. 721 00:33:56,602 --> 00:33:57,969 I-I don't even believe it. 722 00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:01,207 It's just that one of Tom's trainees saw him 723 00:34:01,307 --> 00:34:05,277 here in his office, alone, crying hysterically. 724 00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:06,812 Oh. 725 00:34:06,912 --> 00:34:12,184 One man sees another man crying, and so he must be suicidal? 726 00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:15,353 Luke, you're a behavioral profiler. 727 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:17,123 You should know better. 728 00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:27,998 I know Tom was struggling with how much he was hurting you. 729 00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:31,437 Yes. 730 00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:33,105 Yes, 30-plus years 731 00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:37,109 of Tom burying his feelings was killing our relationship. 732 00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:40,846 But Tom was nothing if not "never say die," right? 733 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,317 I mean, he found a new therapist, 734 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,219 he got on new medication, 735 00:34:47,353 --> 00:34:48,719 and finally he was getting in touch 736 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:50,456 with his emotions, his truth. 737 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,458 And yes, recently, it made him cry, 738 00:34:52,558 --> 00:34:53,992 which was good for him. 739 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,893 And for us. 740 00:34:57,129 --> 00:34:59,097 So, you weren't getting a divorce? 741 00:34:59,198 --> 00:35:00,866 As long as he was doing the work, 742 00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:03,202 I was never gonna leave him. 743 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,072 And I made sure he knew that. 744 00:35:11,377 --> 00:35:13,379 Well, so, then, as far as you're concerned, 745 00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:18,083 the only thing Tom was having trouble with was work? 746 00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:23,222 For men like Tom, who felt a profound responsibility 747 00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:26,057 to prepare the next generation of warriors, 748 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:27,993 he had a hard time deciding 749 00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:31,230 whether he wanted to be loved or feared. 750 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,402 I loved him. 751 00:35:36,502 --> 00:35:39,671 I'm not sure many others would agree. 752 00:35:40,506 --> 00:35:42,408 And with this last class, 753 00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:45,177 he told me that the best lesson he could give them 754 00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:46,778 was to drop them. 755 00:35:47,613 --> 00:35:49,114 That's why that young man decided 756 00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:51,483 to take Tom's life, isn't it? 757 00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:56,121 Isn't it? 758 00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,930 Hey. Y-You got a minute? 759 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:06,298 Yeah, of course. 760 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:07,933 All right. Look, I've been... 761 00:36:09,568 --> 00:36:12,604 doing like we said and following the evidence, 762 00:36:12,738 --> 00:36:13,972 where it takes me. 763 00:36:14,105 --> 00:36:18,277 And obviously Lowell shot Tom, and, uh... 764 00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:23,382 He neither accidentally nor intentionally 765 00:36:23,482 --> 00:36:25,217 took his life. 766 00:36:25,317 --> 00:36:27,686 - So, suicide? - No. 767 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,089 And I don't know why I didn't think about this 768 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,991 from the start, but... 769 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:35,627 although Tom was fixated on Lowell's shortcomings, 770 00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:37,996 he would've held his whole unit accountable. 771 00:36:38,129 --> 00:36:39,965 All for one, one for all. 772 00:36:40,065 --> 00:36:41,833 That kind of bond is everything. 773 00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:43,602 And if Tom was threatening D.O.R., 774 00:36:43,669 --> 00:36:46,905 he was threatening to drop all three agent selectees, 775 00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:49,040 including Agents Barlow and Helm. 776 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:52,177 So, you think one or both of them... 777 00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:56,615 Intentionally slipped Lowell a magazine with live rounds. 778 00:36:57,416 --> 00:37:00,586 Lowell's history with Tom would make him the perfect fall guy. 779 00:37:01,353 --> 00:37:03,088 If that didn't work, they had a plan B. 780 00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:04,990 Milliken's erratic behavior 781 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:07,693 would suggest the possibility of suicide. 782 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:09,561 Either way, they were covered. 783 00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:11,263 Until now. 784 00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:13,565 No, until we can prove it. 785 00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:17,336 We only have an hour before the news breaks. 786 00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:19,204 Luke. 787 00:37:21,172 --> 00:37:22,541 Good work. 788 00:37:31,216 --> 00:37:32,751 Your theory makes sense. 789 00:37:32,818 --> 00:37:34,653 But based on our interviews, I'm not sure 790 00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:37,889 Barlow and Helm are capable of that level of deception. 791 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:42,528 I know, but I think that there's a way to find out for sure. 792 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:44,630 We should give Lowell a cognitive. 793 00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:47,041 - That's right. - His trauma is keeping him from telling us 794 00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:50,569 exactly what happened before and during that exercise. 795 00:37:50,636 --> 00:37:52,304 - You should do it. - No. 796 00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:55,073 - Luke... - Look, he and I got off on the wrong foot. 797 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,420 He's not gonna be able to relax. 798 00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:57,875 You don't think your presence 799 00:37:57,943 --> 00:37:59,220 won't put him right back in the mindset? 800 00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:00,346 I do. 801 00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:03,649 We'll be right here if you need us. 802 00:38:04,616 --> 00:38:06,952 No, I don't want to do that. 803 00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:08,620 - Agent Lowell... - No. 804 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,998 You've been trying to trick me into confessing from the jump. 805 00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:14,259 Look, Billy, I'm sorry. 806 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:17,529 I'm sorry. 807 00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:20,999 Okay? I-I want to be honest with you. 808 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:22,668 Agent Milliken... 809 00:38:22,768 --> 00:38:26,304 Tom and I were very close. 810 00:38:26,372 --> 00:38:29,040 He was like family, and... 811 00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:31,777 Look. 812 00:38:31,877 --> 00:38:35,814 Hearing some of the things that he said and did, 813 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:37,282 it was hard. 814 00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:41,653 Because of that, I wasn't fair to you. 815 00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,091 I apologize. 816 00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:49,728 All right. 817 00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:54,966 Now, look, if you're willing to do what we call 818 00:38:55,066 --> 00:38:57,335 a cognitive interview, 819 00:38:57,403 --> 00:39:02,974 I believe that that could really help us determine what happened. 820 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,444 And together, we can find the truth. 821 00:39:09,047 --> 00:39:10,616 Okay. 822 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,453 How do we start? 823 00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:18,056 Wh-Why'd you join the FBI? 824 00:39:21,527 --> 00:39:23,729 Growing up, I, um... 825 00:39:25,397 --> 00:39:27,533 never thought I was enough. 826 00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:30,469 Dad made sure of that. 827 00:39:31,302 --> 00:39:33,605 I needed to prove something to him. 828 00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:37,108 So, I applied to the FBI. 829 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,811 And... 830 00:39:39,911 --> 00:39:41,547 I got accepted. 831 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:45,116 My dad couldn't believe it. 832 00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:48,386 But... 833 00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:50,188 you know... 834 00:39:50,255 --> 00:39:52,858 then with the expectations, everything just... 835 00:39:52,958 --> 00:39:54,460 Grew? 836 00:39:57,128 --> 00:39:58,697 Yeah. 837 00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:02,000 Especially when I decided to go out 838 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,002 for the Hostage Rescue Team. 839 00:40:05,471 --> 00:40:07,639 That's when I... 840 00:40:09,475 --> 00:40:12,711 started having panic attacks for the first time. 841 00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:16,615 And Agent Milliken wasn't sympathetic to that. 842 00:40:16,715 --> 00:40:18,049 He was. 843 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:22,353 And... wasn't. 844 00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:25,657 Jekyll and Hyde, you know? 845 00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:28,727 He, uh... 846 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:32,130 recommended a counselor, but... 847 00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:34,933 he kept coming back to... 848 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,670 at the end of the day, nobody has time for my shit. 849 00:40:39,505 --> 00:40:41,339 "Lives were on the line." 850 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,009 But you didn't quit. 851 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:46,077 I still had something to prove. 852 00:40:46,177 --> 00:40:48,213 To your father? 853 00:40:49,114 --> 00:40:50,482 Yeah. 854 00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:56,722 And Agent Milliken reminded you of him? 855 00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:01,259 He did. 856 00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,897 Every time he would, uh... 857 00:41:06,698 --> 00:41:07,766 he would yell at me, 858 00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:09,601 I could... 859 00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:11,670 I could hear 860 00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:14,305 my dad's voice, and it would... 861 00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:16,775 literally, it would... 862 00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:19,044 make me shake. 863 00:41:22,648 --> 00:41:23,915 All right, Billy. 864 00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:26,618 I want you to close your eyes. 865 00:41:26,685 --> 00:41:28,086 All right? 866 00:41:31,022 --> 00:41:33,191 All right, take a deep breath. 867 00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:40,465 All right, let's go back. 868 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,937 All right, Agent Milliken hands out the weapons. 869 00:41:46,037 --> 00:41:48,039 He demonstrates that the magazines 870 00:41:48,139 --> 00:41:51,209 are loaded with blanks, correct? 871 00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:53,979 Yes, he does. 872 00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:57,115 But Joey, Owen and me, we... 873 00:41:57,215 --> 00:41:58,950 we double-check. 874 00:42:08,827 --> 00:42:10,796 And what happens next? 875 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,566 We started the exercise and, uh... 876 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,334 Are you sure? 877 00:42:16,434 --> 00:42:18,403 Yes. 878 00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,842 Okay, Billy, close your eyes. 879 00:42:30,181 --> 00:42:33,084 Now, Agent Milliken barks at you guys 880 00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:34,820 to get locked and loaded, 881 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,889 to get your ass started with the exercise. 882 00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:41,627 Goddamn it, Lowell! 883 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,929 Lives are on the line here, son. 884 00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:46,097 You can't hack it, people die. 885 00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:47,999 It's as simple as that. 886 00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,135 Hey! 887 00:42:50,268 --> 00:42:51,903 Look at me! 888 00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:54,139 You think this is abuse? 889 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,076 You can't handle me, you can't handle this job! 890 00:42:58,143 --> 00:43:00,779 But I guess the Bureau needs its desk jockeys, too. 891 00:43:00,879 --> 00:43:03,949 You want to watch, buy a ticket. Otherwise... 892 00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:05,784 I hear my dad. 893 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:08,286 No more fucking excuses. 894 00:43:08,386 --> 00:43:11,489 And I start to shake. 895 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:14,893 You take the shot. Understand? 896 00:43:14,993 --> 00:43:17,495 - I start getting sick... - Run it again. 897 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,164 And I can't stop. 898 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,702 I throw up. 899 00:43:24,502 --> 00:43:26,672 What does Milliken do? 900 00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:29,174 You know, he was pissed. 901 00:43:29,975 --> 00:43:32,778 I mean, everyone was pissed. 902 00:43:32,878 --> 00:43:35,413 Joey and Owen, they were like, 903 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,217 "Jesus, here we go again." 904 00:43:41,486 --> 00:43:43,722 All right, what happens now? 905 00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:47,425 Then I... 906 00:43:48,694 --> 00:43:51,029 felt a hand on my back. 907 00:43:51,162 --> 00:43:52,664 Whose hand? 908 00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:55,200 It's okay. You got this, Billy. 909 00:43:55,333 --> 00:43:57,502 It was O'Connor. 910 00:43:57,602 --> 00:43:59,570 - Milliken's chief of staff? - Yes. 911 00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:07,212 I remember now. He... 912 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:10,816 He did this pat down on me. 913 00:44:10,916 --> 00:44:12,884 Okay, Billy. You got this. 914 00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:21,559 You dropped. 915 00:44:21,693 --> 00:44:22,794 Oh, shit. 916 00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:24,395 Thanks. 917 00:44:28,633 --> 00:44:30,836 Jesus Christ. 918 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:36,875 I thought he was trying to help me. 919 00:44:36,975 --> 00:44:38,676 Reload! Reload! 920 00:44:38,777 --> 00:44:40,545 I-I... 921 00:44:41,713 --> 00:44:43,114 I don't understand. Wh... 922 00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:47,085 Why would he do that to me? 923 00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:49,587 All that mattered to him 924 00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:51,723 was finding someone to take the fall. 925 00:44:51,823 --> 00:44:53,925 But I pulled the goddamn trigger. 926 00:44:55,593 --> 00:44:57,328 It's just gonna be my word against his. 927 00:44:57,428 --> 00:44:59,597 Who's gonna b... Who's gonna believe me? 928 00:45:06,171 --> 00:45:07,773 - Thanks, Peter. - Not a problem. 929 00:45:07,906 --> 00:45:10,075 But you did get those reports I sent? 930 00:45:10,175 --> 00:45:11,209 We did. 931 00:45:11,276 --> 00:45:12,543 Turns out, there's, uh, 932 00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:14,512 another item we need to take a look at. 933 00:45:14,612 --> 00:45:16,514 What's that? 934 00:45:16,614 --> 00:45:19,517 We think Agent Milliken kept a journal. 935 00:45:19,617 --> 00:45:21,186 In his safe. 936 00:45:21,286 --> 00:45:23,030 When his wife was here collecting his belongings, 937 00:45:23,054 --> 00:45:26,925 she said that you weren't around to open it for her. 938 00:45:27,058 --> 00:45:29,127 No, but I can grab it now. 939 00:45:44,776 --> 00:45:47,545 Uh, I'm not seeing a journal. 940 00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:49,747 Can you step aside? 941 00:46:03,394 --> 00:46:04,930 Peter O'Connor, 942 00:46:04,996 --> 00:46:07,833 you're under arrest for the murder of Agent Tom Milliken. 943 00:46:07,933 --> 00:46:09,434 Wh-What the fuck are you doing? 944 00:46:09,534 --> 00:46:11,336 Ballistics confirmed that Agent Milliken 945 00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:12,737 was killed by his own bullet. 946 00:46:12,838 --> 00:46:14,215 The ammunition he used was always kept 947 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,141 right here in this safe. 948 00:46:16,274 --> 00:46:17,952 Cindy said her husband and one other person 949 00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:19,310 had that combination. 950 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:21,130 - You were that other person. - This is crazy. 951 00:46:21,179 --> 00:46:22,779 I've given everything I have to this man. 952 00:46:22,848 --> 00:46:24,015 We can see that. 953 00:46:24,149 --> 00:46:25,389 But you couldn't help yourself. 954 00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:27,118 You pointed us in the direction of OPR. 955 00:46:27,218 --> 00:46:28,887 All those anonymous complaints. 956 00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:32,090 One of which was for a selectee who got D.O.R.'d 957 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,625 and, one week later, took his own life. 958 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,329 Matthew O'Connor. 959 00:46:38,429 --> 00:46:39,831 Your brother. 960 00:46:39,965 --> 00:46:41,332 And nobody cared, 961 00:46:41,432 --> 00:46:44,035 so you had to take matters into your own hands. 962 00:46:44,169 --> 00:46:46,337 OPR is a fucking joke. 963 00:46:46,437 --> 00:46:47,505 What's the goddamn point? 964 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:49,540 The rules are never applied equally. 965 00:46:49,674 --> 00:46:50,952 Someone always gets special treatment. 966 00:46:50,976 --> 00:46:52,944 Your brother deserved better. 967 00:46:53,044 --> 00:46:54,946 And Milliken got exactly what he deserved. 968 00:46:55,046 --> 00:46:56,647 And what about Billy? 969 00:46:57,582 --> 00:46:59,517 He didn't deserve any of this. 970 00:47:00,852 --> 00:47:02,888 Get him out of here. 971 00:47:09,027 --> 00:47:11,162 Test one, test two. Test. 972 00:47:11,229 --> 00:47:15,533 "How can a clam cram a clean, cream can?" 973 00:47:15,633 --> 00:47:19,604 Well, if I may say, your script is solid, 974 00:47:19,704 --> 00:47:21,706 but I'd like to propose a few tiny punch-ups. 975 00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:23,241 Like, maybe a couple more 976 00:47:23,341 --> 00:47:25,310 bumpers to my commercial breaks... 977 00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:26,930 No. You stick to the words on the page. 978 00:47:26,978 --> 00:47:29,380 Hey. We've gone over this before. 979 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,216 Can you honestly not comprehend 980 00:47:31,316 --> 00:47:33,151 the gravity of what we're doing here? 981 00:47:33,251 --> 00:47:35,053 I can, and I do. 982 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,889 But, seriously, if this guy's a fan of the podcast, 983 00:47:38,023 --> 00:47:39,857 he'll probably be able to tell the difference 984 00:47:39,958 --> 00:47:41,993 between me and "entrapment me." 985 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,628 It's not entrapment. 986 00:47:43,728 --> 00:47:46,064 - You know what I mean. - Brian. 987 00:47:46,164 --> 00:47:47,899 We're all set here. Okay? 988 00:47:47,999 --> 00:47:49,667 And you're gonna do great. 989 00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:51,402 Right now, when we're on the air, 990 00:47:51,536 --> 00:47:53,338 we're hoping that the scripted words there 991 00:47:53,404 --> 00:47:54,672 will entice this man 992 00:47:54,739 --> 00:47:56,074 - to call in. - And then, 993 00:47:56,207 --> 00:47:58,243 we need to keep him on the line long enough 994 00:47:58,343 --> 00:47:59,810 either to track his location... 995 00:47:59,911 --> 00:48:02,747 Or get a decent slice of profile. 996 00:48:02,847 --> 00:48:04,649 I do know. You did tell me. 997 00:48:04,749 --> 00:48:07,418 Hey. We also told you if you deviate 998 00:48:07,552 --> 00:48:09,654 one syllable from this script here, 999 00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:11,522 somebody could die. 1000 00:48:11,622 --> 00:48:13,224 Are we clear? 1001 00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:15,760 Crystal. 1002 00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:17,828 Now let's make podcast history. 1003 00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,635 Whoa. 1004 00:48:26,637 --> 00:48:27,939 Hello, Brian. 1005 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:29,440 Special guest appearance? 1006 00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:30,817 He's just here to observe. 1007 00:48:30,841 --> 00:48:32,310 Ignore him. 1008 00:48:32,443 --> 00:48:33,678 I mean it. 1009 00:48:33,778 --> 00:48:36,647 Do not say one word about him being here. 1010 00:48:36,781 --> 00:48:38,049 Okay, but... 1011 00:48:38,149 --> 00:48:39,669 wouldn't it make more sense for the guy 1012 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:41,652 to just be able to talk directly to him? 1013 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:45,323 No more questions. Stay on script. 1014 00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:50,161 Penelope? 1015 00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:51,862 Okay, Emily. Ready when you are. 1016 00:48:51,963 --> 00:48:54,299 Standing by to trace incoming calls. 1017 00:48:56,801 --> 00:48:58,669 Welcome to a very special episode 1018 00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,005 of The Sicarius Files. 1019 00:49:00,138 --> 00:49:02,907 We are coming to you live from the FBI, 1020 00:49:02,974 --> 00:49:05,476 and we are joined by renowned author 1021 00:49:05,576 --> 00:49:09,314 and supervisory special agent David Rossi. 1022 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,518 Thanks for being here, David. 1023 00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,886 Thanks for having me, Brian. 1024 00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:17,855 This is a live episode, folks, 1025 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:19,624 so don't be shy. We're taking calls, 1026 00:49:19,724 --> 00:49:21,592 and you can find our number at the official. 1027 00:49:21,692 --> 00:49:23,528 Sicarius Files website. 1028 00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:25,363 So, David, 1029 00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:28,133 there's so much to talk about with your storied career, 1030 00:49:28,233 --> 00:49:30,901 but for our purposes, we'll focus solely 1031 00:49:31,002 --> 00:49:33,438 on Elias Voit, the Sicarius Killer. 1032 00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:36,474 I'd like to start at, well, the beginning. 1033 00:49:36,541 --> 00:49:39,544 So, tell me, when were you first made aware 1034 00:49:39,644 --> 00:49:41,512 of Dr. Tara Lewis's discovery 1035 00:49:41,612 --> 00:49:44,315 of the buried shipping container in Yakima County? 1036 00:49:44,382 --> 00:49:45,659 Uh, my question for Agent Rossi 1037 00:49:45,683 --> 00:49:47,152 has to do with Benjamin Reeves. 1038 00:49:47,252 --> 00:49:49,320 Is it true that Reeves basically helped Voit... 1039 00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:51,265 Somebody once told me that Second Street is, like, 1040 00:49:51,289 --> 00:49:53,391 the most common street name in America, but... 1041 00:49:53,524 --> 00:49:55,326 So, in that surveillance video 1042 00:49:55,426 --> 00:50:00,131 from the hardware store, um, while I couldn't I.D. Voit, 1043 00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:04,135 I was able to see him reaching into his back pocket, 1044 00:50:04,202 --> 00:50:06,737 trying to mute his cell phone. 1045 00:50:06,871 --> 00:50:09,006 Which then led you to conduct a trace 1046 00:50:09,074 --> 00:50:11,742 of cell phone calls to and from that region of the country? 1047 00:50:11,842 --> 00:50:13,078 Yes, that's right. 1048 00:50:13,178 --> 00:50:14,945 Thanks for your call, Oliver. 1049 00:50:15,046 --> 00:50:18,749 So, um, you run that trace and you get hundreds of calls 1050 00:50:18,883 --> 00:50:20,085 you have to go through, 1051 00:50:20,218 --> 00:50:22,019 but since you know the timing of the calls, 1052 00:50:22,087 --> 00:50:24,922 you were able to pretty much zero in on Seattle. 1053 00:50:25,056 --> 00:50:27,525 - That's right, because... - And I will pause you there, 1054 00:50:27,592 --> 00:50:29,070 because we are getting another caller. 1055 00:50:29,094 --> 00:50:31,562 Uh, hi. You are live 1056 00:50:31,662 --> 00:50:35,266 on the air with Brian Garrity and SSA David Rossi. 1057 00:50:35,366 --> 00:50:38,336 With whom do we have the pleasure of speaking? 1058 00:50:38,403 --> 00:50:40,371 Call me God. 1059 00:50:49,947 --> 00:50:52,283 Okay. We will call you God. 1060 00:50:52,383 --> 00:50:54,619 Do you have a question? 1061 00:50:56,321 --> 00:50:57,855 Why Sicarius spiders? 1062 00:50:57,988 --> 00:50:59,357 The spiders... 1063 00:50:59,457 --> 00:51:01,097 Okay, Emily. I've isolated the phone line. 1064 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,295 - Can you get a trace? - Uh, not exactly. 1065 00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:05,595 Is he running countermeasures? 1066 00:51:05,663 --> 00:51:07,265 He is definitely a student of Voit's. 1067 00:51:07,365 --> 00:51:09,134 Okay, I want you to keep the phone line open 1068 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,169 but pause the live stream right now. 1069 00:51:11,236 --> 00:51:12,337 Okay, yeah. 1070 00:51:12,437 --> 00:51:13,671 The Sicarius case. 1071 00:51:13,738 --> 00:51:15,806 Uh, as a fan of the podcast, of course, 1072 00:51:15,873 --> 00:51:18,008 you are familiar with Elias Voit's testimony 1073 00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:19,310 regarding the spiders. 1074 00:51:19,377 --> 00:51:20,711 Let David Rossi answer. 1075 00:51:20,811 --> 00:51:22,247 Why Sicarius? 1076 00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:25,082 I-I recognize that voice. 1077 00:51:25,183 --> 00:51:27,017 It's Lance Kingston. 1078 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,587 But he can't be our guy. 1079 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,289 No, he's not. He's his hostage. 1080 00:51:31,389 --> 00:51:32,633 Clearly, you're not satisfied 1081 00:51:32,657 --> 00:51:34,692 with Voit's own answer. 1082 00:51:36,227 --> 00:51:38,062 I am not. 1083 00:51:38,163 --> 00:51:40,398 Were the Sicarius spiders part of Voit's 1084 00:51:40,498 --> 00:51:43,168 counterintelligence training in interrogation tactics? 1085 00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:48,206 Uh, in a previous episode, I described how I embellished 1086 00:51:48,306 --> 00:51:50,675 certain aspects of The Sicarius Files 1087 00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:52,277 for dramatic purposes. 1088 00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:54,612 The fact is, I lied. 1089 00:51:54,745 --> 00:51:58,883 Elias Voit has nothing to do with the FBI 1090 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:02,553 and is not associated with any government agency or program. 1091 00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:04,755 Are you saying Voit is unique? 1092 00:52:04,855 --> 00:52:08,092 He's rare but not unique. 1093 00:52:08,926 --> 00:52:12,163 Much like yourself. 1094 00:52:14,899 --> 00:52:17,602 Are you trying to profile me? 1095 00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:22,173 Oh, I, uh, I couldn't even if I wanted to, 1096 00:52:22,273 --> 00:52:24,642 because I'm not speaking to you. 1097 00:52:24,775 --> 00:52:28,279 I'm speaking to Lance Kingston, 1098 00:52:28,379 --> 00:52:31,249 the man you're holding captive. 1099 00:52:34,952 --> 00:52:36,854 Penelope, talk to me. 1100 00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:39,023 I'm so close. I am so, so close. 1101 00:52:39,123 --> 00:52:41,392 - We don't have much more time. - Okay. I know, I know. 1102 00:52:41,492 --> 00:52:42,993 And I know the reason 1103 00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:45,129 why you're still holding Lance captive 1104 00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:46,464 and using him as your proxy 1105 00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:51,402 is Lance's death will satisfy nothing for you. 1106 00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:53,304 Ramona Havener. 1107 00:52:53,438 --> 00:52:55,406 What about her? 1108 00:52:55,506 --> 00:52:56,874 Voit spared her life, 1109 00:52:56,974 --> 00:52:58,543 and her testimony led to his conviction. 1110 00:52:58,643 --> 00:52:59,877 Oh, he didn't spare Ramona. 1111 00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:01,479 He turned her over to Arthur Kiel, 1112 00:53:01,579 --> 00:53:04,915 whom he knew would abuse and strangle her. 1113 00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:07,252 - But Arthur Kiel did not. - No. 1114 00:53:07,318 --> 00:53:10,120 Because we found her first. 1115 00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:12,690 Why didn't Voit kill her himself? 1116 00:53:15,793 --> 00:53:18,863 Well, that was, um... 1117 00:53:19,664 --> 00:53:22,333 that was because Ramona reminded him 1118 00:53:22,433 --> 00:53:25,102 of his ex-wife Sydney. 1119 00:53:27,004 --> 00:53:28,673 Okay, I got him. I got him. 1120 00:53:28,806 --> 00:53:31,776 He's at the Stash-All Storage facility in Richmond, Virginia. 1121 00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:33,844 It's a garage unit being rented by Lance Kingston. 1122 00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:35,813 The Stash-All Storage, Richmond, Virginia. 1123 00:53:35,913 --> 00:53:36,814 Yeah, I'm on it. 1124 00:53:36,914 --> 00:53:38,283 God? 1125 00:53:38,383 --> 00:53:40,385 Are you still with us? 1126 00:53:40,485 --> 00:53:42,186 Is he there? 1127 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,055 - Is who here? - Voit. 1128 00:53:50,695 --> 00:53:52,563 No. 1129 00:54:08,746 --> 00:54:10,281 Oh, God, 1130 00:54:10,381 --> 00:54:11,782 - tell him! - What the... 1131 00:54:12,683 --> 00:54:14,218 Lance? 1132 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,487 No, don't... Stop, stop, stop! 1133 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:18,923 - Brian. - For fuck's sake, tell him! Is he there?! 1134 00:54:19,023 --> 00:54:20,325 Please! 1135 00:54:20,391 --> 00:54:23,193 Tell him! He's gonna kill me! 1136 00:54:25,330 --> 00:54:26,497 Yes, he's here! 1137 00:54:26,597 --> 00:54:27,597 No. 1138 00:54:27,665 --> 00:54:29,233 No, no, no, no. 1139 00:54:29,334 --> 00:54:31,068 No, stop! Stop! 1140 00:54:31,168 --> 00:54:32,703 Lance? 1141 00:54:32,803 --> 00:54:34,439 He's, uh... Voit is here. 1142 00:54:34,572 --> 00:54:37,308 Elias Voit is here. You can talk to him. 1143 00:54:38,776 --> 00:54:40,445 Oh, God. 1144 00:54:43,381 --> 00:54:45,450 What just happened? 1145 00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:55,360 You just caused a man's death.